this is wat i was thinking about at work today...
so the situation is a common one for me, im opening the blind/cutoff and get 3bet by a guy with 10-15% 3bet to a steal. ive been 4betting a bit but its only slightly a winning play according to data gathered (pretty small sample). so i was thinking about calling and bluffing flops more. here was the though anyway:
4bet math...
open to $3, 3bet to $11, $15 in pot ($1 small blind), i can 4 bet $24 to win $15.
3 bet but call and raise flop...
open to $3, 3bet to $11, i call, $23 in pot.
he cbets flop for just over half say $14. i can reraise to $34 to win $37.
this seems like a much better deal!
other points to consider.
-he can hit the flop hard with his trash and continue in the hand
-he can have a premium and i have to fold, but thats guna happen if i 4bet.
-he might ch-fold certain flops, i can steal it for much cheaper.
-i might get rebluffed
-i might hit a hand and stack his premium.
ok just writing this out helped me. i might try calling more with descent hands and bluffing if i miss instead of the 4bet or fold being my standard. any thoughts on this?
also i went to pokersoc omaha torny last night. $20 entry with rebuys but it was actually alot funner than the normal holdem rebuy where i just shove alot pre cause it was pot limit! anyways is go into the break with the starting rebuy stack and top it up for another $20. after the break the blinds are pretty high and i just play quite tight and take a few blinds/ hit a few flops (prob had about 20bb average). people drop like flies around me and i hit a few key hands. i sucked out once to this fairley crap guy who was running like god. had a wrap verse a flush draw + pair + some straight draws but i got there. a good one was this asian kid whos name i should know was stealing most buttons, he raised smallish so i potted it out of the bb w 6789. he calls and flop was 662. i checked cause i know he will try steal it. he pots it and i shove and beat his flush draw. so i knock him out and double up here. tim tryed some bluffs on me when i had a set twice so i made a good chunk.
then the crap guy knocked out everyone and we went heads up 40k chips to 80k+. was all over within 5 hands. in one i had AQ33 suited ace and opened button. A82 rainbow and he pots into me, i think i prob have best hand + backdoor flush so i just call the 4k. 3 of diamonds on the turn is the best card possible so i have a set + nut flush. he pots again and i shove. he has A2 and i hold!
soo he limps button and i check JTTx one suit. flop was QTx with a flush draw, i check he pots i reraise and hes all in with the nut flush draw. gets the draw on the river but it gives me the boat haha. its all over and i finally win one of these donkey live torneys lol.
also something awesome was that new zealander who just beat durr in that big torny. even kooler is that hes a 100NL reg with a pretty descent graph (search PTR for siac0). monster score for the guy!
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Just wondering, do you 3 bet a button raise out of the blinds much?
ReplyDeleteI reckon you should give it a go. In those super turbos I was playing, I had to stop shoving the button alot because nobody gives you respect on the button, so they would call with Ax etc. So I would only shove hands that would beat their calling range, would tightening up your range on the button vs those opponents be better? Do you think they would still play back? If your going to try the calling thing, make sure you do it with nice suited connector type hands, not Ax type hands.
i dont actually 3bet much out of the blinds cause everyone does it so much that they get little respect. u have to play the hand oop if called and i just hate it. so i 3bet more than usual on the buton and cutoff to make up for it and mostly 3bet premiums from blinds cause i think i get more action then.
ReplyDeleteone thing i forgot about in that math is u have to call $8 pre so its a bit worse odds than i thought.